上海交大赵大海教授做客东方卫视演播室：新冠病毒溯源切勿政治化
上海交通大学国际与公共事务学院教授、博士生导师，上海交通大学-耶鲁大学卫生政策联合研究中心执行主任赵大海，自新冠肺炎疫情暴发以来，对于新冠疫情暴发、防控以及卫生政策第35次接受上海电视台专访，也是第92次接受央视、上视专访。2021年5月27日，赵大海做客东方卫视演播室，在《今晚》节目，就美国总统拜登在当地时间5月26日下令要求美国情报部门“加倍调查”新冠病毒来源等话题进行了评论。同期节目电话连线嘉宾是中国社科院吕祥教授。现只将关于赵大海的访谈内容摘录如下。
主持人：相关话题，我们在上海演播室邀请到了上海交通大学-耶鲁大学卫生政策联合研究中心执行主任赵大海，同时我们还将会连线中国社科院的美国问题专家吕祥教授。首先这个问题问一下赵主任，我们刚才在报道当中也说了，这个对于病毒源头的调查，现在美国方面是不听世卫专家组的专业报告，反而把这个任务交给了中情局，让情报部门来牵头调查。您觉得这个情报部门的牵头调查可信吗？
赵大海：这个调查还没有开始，更没有调查的结果，但是显而易见，这个调查注定是没有任何可信度的。首先，原本新冠病毒的溯源工作完全是一个科学问题，是一个医学科学或者是公共卫生的科学问题。现在美国政府又故伎重演，用了一个政治的手段，以及政治的工具，来试图所谓的探究，它注定是没有任何意义的。与此同时，美国政府让情报部门来负责，而不是医学部门或者公共卫生的研究部门来进行调查，就更难以有可信度可言。
主持人：您是不是特别担心，情报部门所谓拿到情报的可靠性，对吗？
赵大海：对。应该讲情报机构是一个完全非专业的、非科学的机构，注定了整个调查的过程和所谓的调查结果，都是非科学的。因此也注定了整个的调查，如果最终有结果的话，那一定是没有任何可信度的。
主持人：就像您说就算有结果也没有可信度，可能只能看到美国这个发起方在政治操作方面会获得他们想要的某种利益。
主持人：所以也想问一下赵主任，其实从这个发言人(外交部发言人赵立坚)的连串问题当中，您看包括像德特里克堡，到底隐藏了多少秘密？还有这个不明原因的肺部疾病，包括还有电子烟疾病等等，美国从来没有正面回应过这些问题。那么，就像发言人所问的，在这个背后到底藏了什么？
赵大海：至于背后到底藏了什么，目前我们确实是无从知晓。但至少是已引起了多个国家公众怀疑的一些问题，有必要通过科学的方式来予以公开或者透明的解释。比如说，德特里克堡在2019年7月被美国CDC突然关闭了，并没有向任何机构来解释关闭的原因；但是在关闭之后不久，在德特里克堡附近就出现了不明原因的肺病以及包括后来的电子烟疾病，这个疾病跟新冠病毒的症状非常相似。另外，在2020年3月美国多个地区已经暴发了比较大规模的新冠疫情的时候，德特里克堡又重新运行了，而且还得到了美国联邦政府比较大资金的支持专门用于新冠病毒的研究工作。因此，我们可以说，确实德特里克堡包括后期的电子烟疾病这些问题，应该用一些科学的方式来进行解释，或者说采取一些透明的方式让多个国家的公众来知晓。
主持人：就像我们就邀请世卫组织的专家组，我们一起来调查病毒溯源，我们是非常坦荡的，也给出非常透明的数据。其实就像发言人所问的这个问题一样，如果美国对全球富有足够责任的话，也应该拿出透明的坦荡的姿态。可是到现在我们一直没有看到，从不对外，这里头一定有很多的问号。
供稿：国务学院
日期：2021年5月31日
Dahai ZHAO’s Exclusive Interview with ShanghaiTV: Please Don't Politicize the Hunt for the Origins of the Virus
Dahai Zhao, a doctoral supervisor at the School of International and Public Affairs of Shanghai Jiao Tong University and Executive Director of Shanghai Jiao Tong University-Yale University Joint Research Center for Health Policy, has been interviewed by ShanghaiTV for the 35st time (the 92st time by CGTN / ShanghaiTV) since the COVID-19 pandemic. On May 26, 2021, Zhao commented on President Joe Biden directed the US intelligence community to redouble their efforts in investigating the origins of the Covid on “Tonight” of Shanghai TV.
Achor: For that, we're joined by Zhao Dahai, executive director of JYHP. We'll also be joined by Professor Lv Xiang, an expert on American studies at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences. First of all, I would like to ask Mr Zhao. As we just said in the report, the US side did not listen to the expert report of the WHO in investigating the source of the virus. Instead, it left the mission to the CIA and asked the intelligence department to lead the investigation. Do you find this intelligence-led investigation credible?
ZHAO: The investigation has not yet begun. Although the results of the investigation are not yet available, it is clear that the investigation is doomed to have no credibility. First of all, the original work of tracing the origin of Covid is entirely a scientific task, which is an issue on medical science or public health. Now the United States government is doing it again, using a political method, and a political tool, to try the so-called inquiry, which is doomed to be meaningless. At the same time, it is even harder to be credible for the U.S. government to put the intelligence community in charge, rather than the medical or public health research community.
Anchor: Are you particularly concerned about the reliability of the information that the intelligence community is supposed to get?
ZHAO: Exactly. It should be said that the intelligence agency is a completely unprofessional and unscientific organization, which doomed the whole investigation process and the so-called investigation results to be unscientific. And the whole investigation, if it ever came to any conclusion, will be without any credibility.
Anchor: So I would like to ask Mr Zhao, how many secrets do you think are being hidden from the speaker's series of questions (Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Zhao Lijian), including those of Fort Detrick? There are also unexplained public health issues, such as lung diseases, e-cigarette diseases, which the United States has never addressed head-on. So, as the speaker asked, what's behind this?
ZHAO: As for what's behind it, we have no idea at this moment. But at least some of the issues that have aroused public suspicion in many countries need to be explained transparently by means of science. For example, Fort Detrick was abruptly shut down by the CDC in July 2019, without explaining the reason to any agency; But shortly after the closure, unexplained lung disease and later e-cigarette disease, similar to the coronavirus, began to appear near Fort Detrick. In addition, Fort Detrick reopened in March 2020, when a large COVID-19 outbreak had already occurred in several areas of the United States, and it was supported by a large federal grant dedicated to coronavirus research. So what we can say is that Fort Detrick, including the later stages of e-cigarette disease, should be explained in some scientific ways, or in the transparent way to the public.
Anchor: For example, we invited a team of experts from WHO to investigate the source of the virus, and we were very open and very transparent about the data. In fact, as the question speaker ZHAO asked, if the United States is responsible enough for the global wellbeing, it should be transparent. But we haven't seen it yet. Ever made secretly, there must be a lot of question marks.
Contributor: SIPA, SJTU
Date: May 31, 2021