上海交大赵大海做客东方卫视演播室:云南瑞丽新冠疫情防控应得到充分肯定

上海交通大学国际与公共事务学院教授、博士生导师,上海交通大学-耶鲁大学卫生政策联合研究中心执行主任赵大海,自新冠肺炎疫情暴发以来,对于新冠疫情暴发、防控以及卫生政策第44次接受上海电视台专访,也是第107次接受央视、上视专访。2021年10月29日,赵大海做客东方卫视演播室,在《今晚》节目,就云南瑞丽的新冠疫情防控相关话题进行了解释与评论。现将访谈内容摘录如下。

主持人:今天演播室请到了上海交通大学-耶鲁大学卫生政策联合研究中心执行主任赵大海,同时北京演播室请到的是特约评论员谷松。首先请教赵先生,近四个月来瑞丽,我们刚才片子说到境外返回人员阳性率高达20%,已经发现了700多例阳性患者,那么这对当地的防控压力有多大?片子中还介绍,当地在边境搞了50到200米的隔离带,那么这个对于防止境外疫情的输入能够起到怎样的作用?

赵大海:首先,第一个问题,上述的数字已充分表明瑞丽的疫情防控压力是巨大的。对于一个只有二十多万常住人口的县级市而言,在过去的四个多月的时间里检测出了七百多例阳性的病人,无疑压力是巨大的。那对于瑞丽市所采用的缓冲隔离的这种方式,应该讲是非常适合瑞丽市的疫情防控。因为在瑞丽一些地区,我们中国人跟缅甸人的居住是连在一起的,只有通过采用五十到两百米的暂时人员转移,让这部分人转移到其他地区,留出一个50到200米的空隙来,才让我们防止境外输入成为可能。因此,这种方式对于整个疫情防控,特别是防止境外输入而言,是具有重要意义的。


主持人:我们看到瑞丽的严格防控,其实的确对当地老百姓的生活造成了一些影响。像瑞丽这样的口岸防输入是持久战,所以防疫政策看来可能也不能一刀切。在相对可控的情况下,开放一些经营场所,恢复生产和贸易可能也是必要的,所以您怎么看这样一个“放”的这观点是不是可行?

赵大海:首先,我们还得客观、科学的来评价瑞丽在长时期以来的疫情管控政策。瑞丽在过去的四个月甚至更长的时间内检测出了大量的阳性患者;刚才说的数字是超过七百例的阳性患者(近四个月)。但是没有一例阳性患者传播到瑞丽以外的其他国内地区。应该讲,瑞丽疫情防控整个过程和最终成效,都是非常突出的,也是非常科学的。因此,我们还是要充分肯定瑞丽的疫情防控工作。但是在进入十月以来,瑞丽依然检测出了19例阳性病例,也就说在这样的一个县级城市当中,现在还不具备放开疫情管控的基本条件。因此,还是要在比较长的时间内进一步来维持现行的疫情管控政策。随着未来全国各地对瑞丽的帮助,首先会解决的是复学的工作。瑞丽的各级学校,要近期在封闭的前提下来开展复学的工作。在复学完成之后,在疫情形势好转的前提下,再考虑在非人群密集的行业来稳健地、逐步地再进行复工。因此,对于复工复产复学和疫情防控之间,首要的还是要保证疫情不能反弹,在这个前提下才能考虑复学复工复产。

供稿:国务学院

日期:2021年10月30日


Dahai ZHAO’s Exclusive Interview with ShanghaiTV: Ruili’s containment efforts worthy of adequacy recognition

Dahai Zhao, a doctoral supervisor at the School of International and Public Affairs of Shanghai Jiao Tong University and Executive Director of Shanghai Jiao Tong University-Yale University Joint Research Center for Health Policy, has been interviewed by ShanghaiTV for the 44st time (the 107st time by CGTN / ShanghaiTV) since the COVID-19 pandemic. On October 29, 2021, Zhao commented on COVID-19 prevention and control in Ruili, Yunnan on “Tonight” of Shanghai TV.

Anchor: In the past four months, the positive rate of overseas returnees in Ruili was as high as 20%. More than 700 positive cases have been detected. How much pressure is this putting on local containment efforts? In addition, the local government has set up a 50-200 meter quarantine zone at the border. How can this prevent imported cases from abroad?

ZHAO: First of all, the above figures have fully demonstrated that the pressure of epidemic prevention and control in Ruili is enormous. For a county-level city with just over 200,000 permanent residents, more than 700 positive cases have been detected in the past four months, which is undoubtedly a huge pressure to the prevention and control of the epidemic in Ruili. The buffer isolation adopted by Ruili is very suitable for the prevention and control of the epidemic in Ruili. Because in some areas of Ruili, Chinese and Burmese live together. It is only by using a temporary transfer of 50 to 200 meters, allowing the people to move to other areas, leaving a gap of 50 to 200 meters, that we can prevent the importation. Therefore, this approach is of great significance for the prevention and control of the epidemic, especially for foreign imports.

Anchor: The strict prevention and control measures in Ruili did have some impact on the lives of local people. Ports like Ruili are in a constant battle to prevent imported cases, so quarantine policies may not be one-size-fits-all. It may also be necessary to open some places of operation, and resume production and trade in a relatively controlled manner. So what do you think about the idea of "the limited opening"?

ZHAO: First of all, we should objectively and scientifically evaluate Ruili's epidemic control policies over the long period of time. Ruili has tested a large number of positive patients in the past four months or more, which is more than 700 positive cases in the last four months. But none of the positive cases has spread to other parts of the country. It should be said that the whole process and final results of the epidemic prevention and control in Ruili are very outstanding, and are very scientific. Therefore, we must fully recognize Ruili's epidemic prevention and control work. However, since the beginning of October, Ruili has still tested 19 positive cases, which means that in such a county-level city, there is still no conditions for a free-for-all. Therefore, the current epidemic control policy should be maintained for a long time. With the help from all over the country, the first thing Ruili will do is resume school. Recently, Ruili needs to resume school at all levels under the closed conditions. After the completion of the resumption of school, the resumption of work in non-crowded industries should be considered in a steady and gradual manner on the premise that the epidemic situation improves. Therefore, for the resumption of work, production and school, with the prevention and control of the epidemic, the first priority should be to ensure that the epidemic does not rebound, and only on this premise can we consider the resumption of school, work and production.

Contributor: SIPA, SJTU

Date: October 30, 2021


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